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Post by ming on Feb 18, 2016 9:55:40 GMT -8
Seems like a sad time for people who appreciate real 3D effects in movies. I noticed that 2014 was the last year when Real 3D movies outnumbered fake 3D. In 2015 there were almost twice as many fake as there were Real 3D titles. I recently went about researching a replacement for my Panasonic Viera 3D TV - beautiful plasma set, but I wanted to finally get something a bit bigger. Not one of the manufacturers out there was advertising 3D as a premium feature for any of their sets. The whole push now has become 4K as the next big thing. Most of them do include 3D in some of their top of the line sets, but it is only mentioned in the specs and some manufacturers have dropped 3D support entirely. I fear in the future I won't even be able to watch my collection of 3D movies - 3D TV's may eventually go the way of plasma as well! What do you think, is Real 3D becoming extinct - again?
On a different note - this whole push to 4K seems like a bit of a rip off to me. Just my personal opinion, but 4K has been a thing since 2010 and here we are in 2016 with comparatively little 4K content. Additionally, the internet infrastructure doesn't seem capable of handling widescale 4K adoption. Even HD content from Netflix on a 30Mb connection still doesn't look as good as the same content on blu-ray. Plus I have a huge collection of SD DVDs which I'm unlikely to be able to replace - they don't look too bad upscaled to HD, but on a 4K screen they are terrible and even my Full-HD Blu-Ray disks upscaled to 4K still don't look as good as on a native Full-HD screen. On the other hand 4K is probably the best thing to happen to 3D since each eye is now getting a higher resolution. It's too bad that this is coming at a time when real 3D movies seem to be on the decline. What is your opinion about 4K? |
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Post by Phil @ RealOrFake3D on Feb 18, 2016 11:15:49 GMT -8
Hi ming, welcome to the Real or Fake 3D Forums!
Yeah, I feel like real 3D is in decline, but probably won't go away completely. It's too much of a profit center for studios, especially with 3D animations. Now that so many theaters have 3D projectors, it's essentially free money for Pixar and Dreamworks. Home 3D is probably dead. ESPN shut down their live 3D in 2013, so the only way to watch 3D at home is with 3D blu-rays, and people increasingly don't have blu-ray players anymore. This is creating a downward spiral for the home. My mom bought a large 3D TV a few years ago, and has never used the feature. It was an exciting upsell at the store initially, but probably the next time around, she'll ask, "Do I need this?"
I kind of stick by the idea that, 3D will be everywhere as soon as you can do it without glasses. That'll be the next revolution.
As for 4K, I think the pressure is a lot less than it was for HD, simply because people are comfortable with 720. 480 is a little too low. I believe we'll ultimately get to 4K, because 4K is noticeably better than HD, but it'll arrive after more ducks get in a row, such as Gigabit Ethernet. Right now, Netflix is setting the tempo. 4K is more expensive for them to deliver, and so they probably have spreadsheets showing quality vs. customer retention, and adjusting as prices for bandwidth go down or user expectations go up. Right now, users are content with some grain in their 720 streaming, so long as there's no buffering icons.
- Phil
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Post by RXP on Jun 20, 2016 0:33:53 GMT -8
4k is mostly worthless unless there's 4k details. Very few films have them, very few films even have 1080p details. You can verify this by running screen shot comparisons. First take the 1080p blu-ray frame and resize up to 4k and compare to the 4k frame. If you can spot any difference then it's worth it, but the difference is marginal. The only film I've seen so far that has 4k details is the Reverent. Real shooting has a hard time coming up with 4k details, animations is the only one that will. If you look at AVForums Blu-ray disc quality rankings it's no co-incidence that animations rule the reference picture quality. I was never a fan of 3D myself. I enjoyed it with Avatar, Transformers and a few others. But there were too many films like Clash of the Titans where it was clearly an excuse to generate extra revenue and it's spoilt the format. I rely on sites like this and "3D or not" reviews. All my displays are capable of it but at home it just didn't look great. My Samsung LCD had terrible blacks with 3D and too small. My VT50 was too small (50"). I got an LG OLED (930v) and the passive 3D had black lines that ruined the picture for me. I then upgraded to a JVC X500 and am in love with the format again. How to Train a Dragon was amazing as was Tron. I hope they do continue to release 3D because when a film maker intends to shoot in it, it's pretty amazing. The picture is bright, huge and full of contrast. There's a lot of talk about LG 4K OLEDs having great 3D and if only it was done like this at the start 3D wouldn't have been dead. Probably some truth to that. There's a company releasing a format called Ultra D (http://www.ultra-d.com/) that is releasing glasses free 3D so maybe we'll see it take off again after the 4k fad is dead. Also whatever display you purchase there's always going to be something like this This that can turn any 2D display into 3D. So whatever display you buy in the future you can always look for one of those to play your catalogue collection. |
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